Roshi: What are we surrounded by–on all four sides?
Steve: Walls.
Roshi: What do the walls make?
Steve: The Zendo.
Roshi: Do they? What is inside the Zendo?
Steve: You, me, the Keisaku stick.
Roshi: But what is the _essence_ of the zendo? Could it be right here?
Steve: There isn’t anything there.
Roshi: Aha! Now we are getting somewhere. Let’s look at our big mistakes. What makes the lines of the characters on the page?
Steve: The space around them?
Roshi: Good! And the zendo?
Steve: The space in it.
Roshi: Yes! It is both the forms that surround us and the spaces with no form at all — and how they interact together. It is what is in space and what is not. It is how we experience the relationship.

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